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I can't wait until Google offers and enterprise Messaging and Collaboration environment that is worthy. The analyst firms are saying that the MS and Lotus will be battling for 2nd place with in the next few years. ]]>Jan 26th 2008 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
For those interested in 8 and 8.01 I reviewed them on dooyoo.com]]>Jan 30th 2008 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
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As for the other bits...
"If true, the application would presumably be the first official, third-party app developed with Apple's new iPhone SDK. "

http://www.apple.com/webapps/

Actually, I think there may be a few preceeding it. Now if someone would PLEASE build me an ActiveSync connector?

Thanks]]>Jan 17th 2008 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 18th 2008 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
1. Sign up for an email account on gmail.

2. Go into Lotus Notes and create a new rule to forward all email to your new gmail account.

3. Go into your gmail account and configure the "reply to" to be your lotus notes email account (note, gmail will send a confirmation email to your lotus notes account which you have to confirm)

4. Set up the new gmail account on your iphone.

5. Profit

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Just wait until your IT department finds out your bypassing security for convenience, you'll soon have plenty of time to play with your iphone while looking for a new job.]]>Jan 17th 2008 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
I just wonder what our Notes team would have to do on the back end to support this. How would this thing connect to our Notes servers without VPN?]]>Jan 17th 2008 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 21st 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/seriously though, this is a good start. get exchange/push and availability in canada and i'd be on board, even without an sd card slot]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
Outlook is, in my view, far worse than Notes (even though I've never been a big fan of Notes). At least Notes is pretty secure...
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I love how people think running a large business with Exchange, a public folder here or there, and a file server is a reasonable way to keep track of things.]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
I wholeheartedly agree with Andrew Pollack and Jeff, Notes has a lot more going for it than just the mail, and the newest release it very good. Everyone loves to bash Notes because of it's historically square client base, but give it a chance and take a look at the latest version, you will be pleasantly surprised.

Also, the simple fact that it is so easy to develop applications for Notes exposes a lot of users to poorly developed Notes apps done by inexperienced developers. It's hard to get people to separate the actual product from the applications done badly.

Lotus Notes' security and mobility are unmatched by anything else in the market and that is the reason so many large companies use it, but try telling that to the haters!]]>Jan 17th 2008 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
You can't compare Domino Applications, which are stuck in a silo'd hell with thinly veiled interopable abilities. The thing is a pig, and just try and integrate it in a large environment. Even IBM has problems integrating their own platforms with Notes which is why it's the red headed stepchild of their applications.

Notes had it's chance, but it really hasn't matured outside of it's island to fit into the current world. It is said to be the platform Admins love, and end users hate for a reason.

MS Exchange is a Collaboration platform, not something trying to be everything. It is like comparing apples to oranges.

Also, this iPhone mentions mail, but what about calendaring integration?

Oh and Notes 8 was such a let down. I had to uninstall the thing and go back to Notes 7 because it crashed all the time :(

I just want my Outlook back :)]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
To make matters worse, if you build an outlook/sharepoint/activedirectory/office/sql server environment, Microsoft OWNS your I.T. budget. If you want to upgrade ANY of those pieces you must upgrade ALL of them.

I know one company who went with Exchange over Notes but was worried that MS would make them buy new server operating systems so they got a promise that it would not require a new OS version to upgrade. Technically, that was sort of true. It turned out that it DID require a 64 bit operating system to upgrade though, so they were forced to buy new HARDWARE and thus a NEW COPY OF THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM.

I'm not entirely an IBM Fanboy here. I hate Websphere and Portal -- pretty much anything J2EE related sets my teeth on edge as usually wasteful of budget and processing power -- My OS preference is Linux for servers and XP for desktop (I know, I'm the only one left who doesn't like Mac OSX -- though now with Parallels and the iPhone which I hate myself for having to admit is light years ahead of every other phone I've tested) I may have to join the borg nation of macboys).

I write code for Asterisk on Linux, I write client side software in vs.NET that integrates with Domino using Web Services (that makes a REALLY compelling design environment, by the way). I write in Java, C, C++, C#, VB, VB.net, bash shell scripting (if you don't think that's a language, go read a book), and if forced a little bit of perl.

It is sufficient then, to say I know more than just Domino and Notes. Yet I pick Domino as a platform for what it does, because I can build things that work, are secure, are stable, and are flexible in about 1/10th the time and budget as I can in any other platform.

I also prefer Domino because it is OPEN to STANDARDS INTEGRATION. I'm not talking about Microsoft's style of open-ness (embrace and extend to co-opt the marketplace), I'm talking about fully support standards. To wit: LDAP, IMAP, POP2, POP3, SMTP, SNMP, XML, HTTP, SSL, NNTP, Java (sort of a standard), Javascript (also sort of a standard), Web Services (SOAP/XML+HTTP+WSDL), MIME, SMIME, x.509, vcards, COM (a semi-standard of Microsoft's), Active-X (a semi-standard of Microsoft's), CORBA, CSS, and probably a dozen others I'm forgetting for now.

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I have been programming lotus notes for 7 years. I know it inside out.

I have find out that many companies just deploy LN and only use the Mail/Calendar.

I have used notes since 4.5, and i never understood people complaining about the interface, as it is the same as the outlook client. In fact, more or less all mail apps look the same.

Lotus Notes is the first and best collaboration platform. You can do ANY type of application with it.

What you can do in notes takes 10 times or more in other platforms.

Management is fast and easy.

And having the "data" folder separate from the "application" folder, is a bliss.

When we have to move our notes deploy from Windows 2003 server to Linux, we just copied the data folder over the new install, and that was it.

Lets try it with exchange.

Exchange is a poor excuse of a bug riden, virus proone mail application.

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I'm not going to waste 20 bucks for the update, but I could do, if IBM promise me to not release an iPhone/IPT version of Notes! :D]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/ ]]>Jan 21st 2008 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
Trouble is the bloody interface .... never got out of the darkages, always insisted on using proprietry styles and templates and the most annoying thing was keyboard shortcuts.

F5 screen locks Notes. ... WTF ? .... So there I am, looking at a filtered view, press F5 like you would in any normal window to refresh it .... locked out, need to enter password again. I know that stuff like that has been brought to the attention of the designers / developers for years pleading for convergence towards the general accepted UI workings of the modern age ... and they blankly ignore it year in year out.

]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/The stupidity I hear repeated about Notes is almost funny. Here are some things you probably DON'T know:

1. Notes is on version 8. Comparing it with the last one you used in 2004 is just plain stupid.

2. Notes is now built to run within Eclipse, opening the full UI capabilities of that tool to Notes developers. It is now WAY more graphically capable than Exchange/outlook etc.

3. Notes -- the full client -- fully supports LINUX desktops and MAC desktops (though Mac support is still playing catchup, it should achieve full parity this year).

4. Domino -- the server for Notes -- is fully supported on Linux, AIX, Win2k3, and OS/400 (iSeries).

5. Programability wise, you can write notes & domino application using its proprietary languages as always - but also in Java, C, & C++. You can hook its functionality from vs.NET, COM, ODBC, and Web Services, and you can import and export both data and design elements in xml (the dtd is called DXL).

I know, personally, a financial firm of 15000 people where they use Notes with hundreds of applications, and require only a dozen people to support, manage, and design apps for that environment. They need over 300 support people to managed their locked down xp desktop environment with office.

Bashing a product based on what it was like 10 years ago as a way to look like you know what you're doing, just makes you look like your I.T. experience is closer to the level of "brother-in-law who knows computers" or at best "Geek Squad" head goon or entry level support tech a podunk products corporation where all the decisions are made so far above your head you don't even get to hear the reasons.

"Still Using Notes" my butt. You're talking about a product still growing is market, and holding more than 50% of the world wide market (and just under 50% of the U.S. market) for Enterprise (not home geek) messaging.
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Their solution? Sync passwords via client side tools....That's craptastic.

So will the Notes client have remote wipe of the devices? How are they going to secure it if the iPhone is stolen? Does the iPhone even have a password?]]>Jan 17th 2008 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
I'd had clients using Domino servers that authenticate and control access via users and groups entirely stored in Active Directory through the built in LDAP support in Lotus Notes & Domino for more than 4 years.

What is coming in the next major release (which will be called 8.5 or 9.0 in all liklihood) is clearly better. Of course, that's what SHOULD happen. When something goes through a major release cycle (which for Domino and Notes is about 18 months) it should GET BETTER. Microsoft could learn from that, yes?

The design environment is undergoing radical overhaul in the current cycle -- to be live-demoed in 3 days by the way. The Notes Domino revision cycle usually alternates, with every other year focused on major updates to either the client side or the server side. That works fine in the Domino/Notes world, since the product is 100% backward compatible all the way to versions from 1991. You can upgrade some clients but not all to use a new feature. You can upgrade a server and not clients or a client and not server. It doesn't matter. Use what makes sense.
]]>Jan 17th 2008 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Outlook? Don't run a business on software you can get at Walmart.]]>Jan 17th 2008 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/Jan 17th 2008 9:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/
"Big four accounting firms" serious? Are you really that stupid? Man, whoever wrote this article is smoking from the wrong pipe. Do some research on where Notes is being used.

As to Notes on the iPhone. Yes, its coming, it will be announced and officially shown soon. Symphony and Notes client are coming to the mac as well.

To the comments regarding ability to wipe the device remotely, etc, please, step away from the ledge. Its a software package, not a device management solution. If you install it, you can't magically go to your Domino server and pull your mail from work. You can't just somehow leap through the magical Internet and land on your corporate server. C'mon, are you for real?

Notes 8 which features the rich client platform was released on Linux and Windows at the same time. Mac support is with Notes 8.01. Notes 8 brings Activities, Sametime, RSS feeds, and a flexible platform to integrate your eclipse framework apps into it. It's a lot more than email.]]>Jan 17th 2008 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/iphone-putting-on-a-lotus-notes-suit/The UN uses it
The Bank of NY uses it
Kroger uses it
Raytheon uses it
Gap uses it
GM uses it
State Farm uses it
Protective Life Insurance uses it
Epson uses it

just to name a few...
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It's interface is historically ugly and has a learning curve, but it really does make Outlook/Exchange look like a play thing when it comes to enterprise use. For Billy Bob's Shipping Supply Co, you wouldn't see the benefits.]]>Jan 17th 2008 10:19AM