Its simply amazing how excited you guys get over these new phones before they come out simply because of their spec list and then get dissapointed when reality sets in when you actually get your hands on one because you realize its still running a 6+ year old OS (and a sh*tty one at that).
Since when is Windows Mobile 6.1 a "6+ year old OS"?
By those standards, the FreeBSD-based OS X (and therefore the iPhone's OS X Leopard derivative) are 1993-esque. (Which it certainly, certainly, certainly isn't).
Obviously you're alluding to Windows CE or something, in which case you're still wrong, as WM 6 is based on CE 5.2. I think someone needs to stop being so asshurt about their 2.5G iPhone purchase in this ever-so-imminent 3G iPhone world.
What's changed? A new skin? Maybe a couple new features and bug fixes? And I use the term bug fixes VERY loosely as anyone who's used Windows Mobile before I'm SURE will attest to.
BTW, I'm VERY happy with my upgrade of my current iPhone from my old 3G Cingular 8525. And I'm VERY excited for my soon-to-be new iPhone next week. But thanks for your (misplaced) concern just the same.
''Hey look at me I am the iPhone boy''. No! you're stupid iGay fan boy with an attitude problem. You need to do more h/w (lmao @ looking at google images to compare OSs) before you start stinking this lovely site by blabbering through you dirty back side. Here let me point out where you can start from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
Read through and you'll find what has been improved or added in each release.
First of all, as I've mentioned above, I was a Windows Mobile user before the iPhone came out (and everyone I knew had one). Can you (or anyone that makes fun of the iPhone) actually say that you've spent any significant amount of time using BOTH devices? No. All you do is sit back from a distance and judge, ignorantly and stupidly.
You can always tell the informed when they make fun of you with stupid immature comments like: "iGay fanboy" Talk about talking out of your ass, it's people like you that clog up these sites with trash.
I mean, hell, let's just take the Wiki article you sent. Each release has seen no more than 10 improvements and most of those don't amount to anything more than what should be offered in a point release. I mean, not even taking iPhone OS 2.0 into account, Apple has offered more added more functionality, than any one of those releases by itself. And the same can be said for Symbian and Nokia.
Bottom line: My image references were just EXAMPLES, but they were there to make a point. Even going back to PPC 2002 which was released SEVEN years ago, Microsoft has done LITTLE to add value or any SIGNIFICANT functionality to it's OS and BTW, they've all required NEW DEVICES (for the most part). I mean I think even SP1 and SP2 for XP added more stuff than all Windows Mobile editions COMBINED.
Do yourself a favor, and next time you want to look like an ass and call someone a fanboy make sure you actually have some REAL facts to back up what your saying and I'd recommend actually going after someone at your maturity level so you don't have to get someone to help you unlodge your foot from your mouth.
"Can you (or anyone that makes fun of the iPhone) actually say that you've spent any significant amount of time using BOTH devices? No."
LMAO
I won’t explain why I called you iGay fan boy but I will try to enlighten you why I said you talk through you back side.
OK! Let’s just start by telling you all major releases had more than 10 improvements/additions. You say Apple has added more functionality in 2.0 than any of the WM releases, can you please tell us what these are?
Your image references were just examples to make a point. Very well, they made a lousy point, if any.
You mentioned nothing of significant value has been added with new releases. Well my friend I don't know what you think is of value and what is not. Let me mention a few added things that I find of great value - VGA support, GPS Support, built in keyboard Support, Push Mail, synchronization with outlook, VOIP and last but not least, the gateway that WM opened for countless great apps. These to me add up to much more than just a fancy interface and 2 hands and 2 fingers navigation system.
Anyway you pretend to be so well versed on WM's and yet you say all the new releases of WM's required new devices. My friend I am sorry to inform you that you are wrong and not as knowledgeable about WM platform as you like to pretend. One of the very devices lying on my desk has been through 2 releases.
And WTH are you doing even thinking about Windows XP SP1 and SP2 here. Anyway since you did, let me just tell that you are wrong. SP1 and SP2 for XP did NOT add more stuff than all Windows Mobile editions combined.
I like how you say bluntly "all major releases had more than 10 improvements/additions" and yet provide no concrete examples. I was simply referencing the Wiki link YOU posted. So you want me to give you the improvements from iPhone v 1.0 through v 2.0? Sure that's easy. Let me see.....just off the top of my head:
As of current release 1.1.4: Double Tap home button for iPod control overlay iTunes Wifi store Multiple screens with movable icons Add bookmark icon to homescreen Gmail IMAP integration Locate Me functionality in Google Maps iPod lyrics support Battery indicator on computer Group SMS messaging threads Support for video out (which, btw, is only supported on a HANDFUL of WM phones) and apparently all these I forgot about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_version_history That's 10 just FEATURES I named not EVEN including tweaks and performance enhancements that your wiki link on Windows Mobile counted as features.
As you probably well know 2.0 isn't done yet but already we know: Exchange support App Store for OTA installable applications and well just look at the above link for the numerous other features being added for FREE and OFFICIALLY supported (see next paragraph).
As for your current phone being upgradeable twice, I'm really not interested in (don't care about) hearing about how you went on to Howard Forums or XDA developers and downloaded a ROM. That CLEARLY doesn't count. What I'm talking about is OFFICIAL support from Microsoft and the manufacturer that DOESN'T void your warranty.
If all you think the iPhone is a fancy interface, then like I said, you are biased and NOT objective. I'm sorry to say, but most people aren't interested in going to obscure (in the general public's eye) forums online to find a decent WM ROM. Sure, a lot of the reason why the iPhone is popular is because it's cool, but it's also popular with many for another reason: Ease of use and reliability. Those are 2 words that I guarantee you aren't even in Windows Mobile's built in dictionary.
Until you spend more than 5 minutes with an iPhone and actually look at it from a point of view from someone other than your typical taped up-glasses-spec-list-whore NERD, nothing I say to is gonna matter because all you are ever gonna wanna know is when do you get your f*ing VOIP support so that you can pay for cell service minutes AND internet just so that you can feel "cool" talking over the internet over a cell signal and really "stickin' it to the man."
It's true, I'm not very excited about this phone and I used to be a massive WM fan. I now have an N95-3 and I can't believe how limited I was using WM.
As for the iPhone thing though, I'm not a huge fan but I do agree with you that the file system allows for a much better user experience. I got an iPod Touch, used off of Craigslist because I wanted something used in case it sucked, and it's turned out to be the best companion to my N95 that a guy could ever want.
Anyway, my main point was going to be, yes, WM hasn't changed at all. The browser was a NIGHTMARE and the graphic capabilities were abysmal--although when I had my SMT5600 it was the best thing out there, and it really was... but that was back in 2004.
Companies have just overlayed their own GUIs but what it comes down to is that beneath all of the pretty, you still have to rely on what is a very VERY old OS with WM.
But what functionality is WinMo unable to supply? I really cannot think of anything it cannot support. To me, if each edition doesn't add "huge" increases in functionality, it shows its successor was pretty damn good. It's just like with bug fixes: the less flaws, the less improvements. Again, I cannot think of anything it cannot support.
Ummm....no. That's completely backwards thinking. That sounds like something that Microsoft would say to defend why they've done a sh*tty job of refreshing their software. Why?
1) If nothing else, improvements can ALWAYS be made
2) There could be PLENTY of other reasons why a company wouldn't update its software or add functionality. Greed, money, lack of developers, etc. Just look at Palm.
@Rob Bourne F*ck, thanks, I was thinking one thing and writing something else
@shiv
This discussion was never about about a feature for feature comparison and I'm certainly not about to start one now, although I can't resist but point out a couple things.
-WinMo's IMAP support PALES in comparison to OS X's and not just because it's HTML email support sucks but also if I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), but I don't even think Outlook Mobile supports folders beyond the basic Inbox, Sent, Trash, etc.
-If you use 3rd party applications as a way out then there's already HUNDREDS of iPhone applications available and a LOT of them are being developed to translate over to the new App Store, including things like: Video Recording, MMS, etc.
Anyways, as I've mentioned many times, the iPhone's strength isn't in a look-how-big-my-d*ck-is feature list and the reason is because the only type of people that really care about that are the nerds that spend all day posting comments on Engadget.... wait...sh*t......
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Its simply amazing how excited you guys get over these new phones before they come out simply because of their spec list and then get dissapointed when reality sets in when you actually get your hands on one because you realize its still running a 6+ year old OS (and a sh*tty one at that).
Since when is Windows Mobile 6.1 a "6+ year old OS"?
By those standards, the FreeBSD-based OS X (and therefore the iPhone's OS X Leopard derivative) are 1993-esque. (Which it certainly, certainly, certainly isn't).
Obviously you're alluding to Windows CE or something, in which case you're still wrong, as WM 6 is based on CE 5.2. I think someone needs to stop being so asshurt about their 2.5G iPhone purchase in this ever-so-imminent 3G iPhone world.
@nerdtalker
Well since you just negated the entire first half of your comment for me, let me address the second half.
This was 5ish years ago:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=windows%20mobile%202003&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
This year:
http://img.clubic.com/photo/00FA000000448150.jpg
What's changed? A new skin? Maybe a couple new features and bug fixes? And I use the term bug fixes VERY loosely as anyone who's used Windows Mobile before I'm SURE will attest to.
BTW, I'm VERY happy with my upgrade of my current iPhone from my old 3G Cingular 8525. And I'm VERY excited for my soon-to-be new iPhone next week.
But thanks for your (misplaced) concern just the same.
''Hey look at me I am the iPhone boy''. No! you're stupid iGay fan boy with an attitude problem. You need to do more h/w (lmao @ looking at google images to compare OSs) before you start stinking this lovely site by blabbering through you dirty back side. Here let me point out where you can start from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
Read through and you'll find what has been improved or added in each release.
First of all, as I've mentioned above, I was a Windows Mobile user before the iPhone came out (and everyone I knew had one). Can you (or anyone that makes fun of the iPhone) actually say that you've spent any significant amount of time using BOTH devices? No. All you do is sit back from a distance and judge, ignorantly and stupidly.
You can always tell the informed when they make fun of you with stupid immature comments like: "iGay fanboy" Talk about talking out of your ass, it's people like you that clog up these sites with trash.
I mean, hell, let's just take the Wiki article you sent. Each release has seen no more than 10 improvements and most of those don't amount to anything more than what should be offered in a point release. I mean, not even taking iPhone OS 2.0 into account, Apple has offered more added more functionality, than any one of those releases by itself. And the same can be said for Symbian and Nokia.
Bottom line: My image references were just EXAMPLES, but they were there to make a point. Even going back to PPC 2002 which was released SEVEN years ago, Microsoft has done LITTLE to add value or any SIGNIFICANT functionality to it's OS and BTW, they've all required NEW DEVICES (for the most part). I mean I think even SP1 and SP2 for XP added more stuff than all Windows Mobile editions COMBINED.
Do yourself a favor, and next time you want to look like an ass and call someone a fanboy make sure you actually have some REAL facts to back up what your saying and I'd recommend actually going after someone at your maturity level so you don't have to get someone to help you unlodge your foot from your mouth.
"Can you (or anyone that makes fun of the iPhone) actually say that you've spent any significant amount of time using BOTH devices? No."
LMAO
I won’t explain why I called you iGay fan boy but I will try to enlighten you why I said you talk through you back side.
OK! Let’s just start by telling you all major releases had more than 10 improvements/additions. You say Apple has added more functionality in 2.0 than any of the WM releases, can you please tell us what these are?
Your image references were just examples to make a point. Very well, they made a lousy point, if any.
You mentioned nothing of significant value has been added with new releases. Well my friend I don't know what you think is of value and what is not. Let me mention a few added things that I find of great value - VGA support, GPS Support, built in keyboard Support, Push Mail, synchronization with outlook, VOIP and last but not least, the gateway that WM opened for countless great apps. These to me add up to much more than just a fancy interface and 2 hands and 2 fingers navigation system.
Anyway you pretend to be so well versed on WM's and yet you say all the new releases of WM's required new devices. My friend I am sorry to inform you that you are wrong and not as knowledgeable about WM platform as you like to pretend. One of the very devices lying on my desk has been through 2 releases.
And WTH are you doing even thinking about Windows XP SP1 and SP2 here. Anyway since you did, let me just tell that you are wrong. SP1 and SP2 for XP did NOT add more stuff than all Windows Mobile editions combined.
Chinquay, bery nice. Have the lufly day.
I like how you say bluntly "all major releases had more than 10 improvements/additions" and yet provide no concrete examples. I was simply referencing the Wiki link YOU posted. So you want me to give you the improvements from iPhone v 1.0 through v 2.0? Sure that's easy. Let me see.....just off the top of my head:
As of current release 1.1.4:
Double Tap home button for iPod control overlay
iTunes Wifi store
Multiple screens with movable icons
Add bookmark icon to homescreen
Gmail IMAP integration
Locate Me functionality in Google Maps
iPod lyrics support
Battery indicator on computer
Group SMS messaging threads
Support for video out (which, btw, is only supported on a HANDFUL of WM phones)
and apparently all these I forgot about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_version_history
That's 10 just FEATURES I named not EVEN including tweaks and performance enhancements that your wiki link on Windows Mobile counted as features.
As you probably well know 2.0 isn't done yet but already we know:
Exchange support
App Store for OTA installable applications
and well just look at the above link for the numerous other features being added for FREE and OFFICIALLY supported (see next paragraph).
As for your current phone being upgradeable twice, I'm really not interested in (don't care about) hearing about how you went on to Howard Forums or XDA developers and downloaded a ROM. That CLEARLY doesn't count. What I'm talking about is OFFICIAL support from Microsoft and the manufacturer that DOESN'T void your warranty.
If all you think the iPhone is a fancy interface, then like I said, you are biased and NOT objective. I'm sorry to say, but most people aren't interested in going to obscure (in the general public's eye) forums online to find a decent WM ROM. Sure, a lot of the reason why the iPhone is popular is because it's cool, but it's also popular with many for another reason: Ease of use and reliability. Those are 2 words that I guarantee you aren't even in Windows Mobile's built in dictionary.
As for your comments about XP service packs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP
Until you spend more than 5 minutes with an iPhone and actually look at it from a point of view from someone other than your typical taped up-glasses-spec-list-whore NERD, nothing I say to is gonna matter because all you are ever gonna wanna know is when do you get your f*ing VOIP support so that you can pay for cell service minutes AND internet just so that you can feel "cool" talking over the internet over a cell signal and really "stickin' it to the man."
Puhleeasse, get a life.
It's true, I'm not very excited about this phone and I used to be a massive WM fan. I now have an N95-3 and I can't believe how limited I was using WM.
As for the iPhone thing though, I'm not a huge fan but I do agree with you that the file system allows for a much better user experience. I got an iPod Touch, used off of Craigslist because I wanted something used in case it sucked, and it's turned out to be the best companion to my N95 that a guy could ever want.
Anyway, my main point was going to be, yes, WM hasn't changed at all. The browser was a NIGHTMARE and the graphic capabilities were abysmal--although when I had my SMT5600 it was the best thing out there, and it really was... but that was back in 2004.
Companies have just overlayed their own GUIs but what it comes down to is that beneath all of the pretty, you still have to rely on what is a very VERY old OS with WM.
But what functionality is WinMo unable to supply? I really cannot think of anything it cannot support. To me, if each edition doesn't add "huge" increases in functionality, it shows its successor was pretty damn good. It's just like with bug fixes: the less flaws, the less improvements. Again, I cannot think of anything it cannot support.
@derX
Ummm....no. That's completely backwards thinking. That sounds like something that Microsoft would say to defend why they've done a sh*tty job of refreshing their software. Why?
1) If nothing else, improvements can ALWAYS be made
2) There could be PLENTY of other reasons why a company wouldn't update its software or add functionality. Greed, money, lack of developers, etc. Just look at Palm.
As of current release 1.1.4:
Double Tap home button for iPod control overlay
Good Feature!
iTunes Wifi store
Nice Feature!. Good for people who are on the go and quickly want to download a song onto their iphone.
Multiple screens with movable icons
eh?
Add bookmark icon to homescreen
Nice Feature. I do not see the point of it though. Are you that lazy to click on safari and then bookmarks?
Gmail IMAP integration
WinMo already has this with the Outlook mobile!
Locate Me functionality in Google Maps
Cool Feature. But GPS easily trumps it and guess what. WinMo supports GPS even before OSX mobile did!
iPod lyrics support
WinMo has 3rd party applications for this
Battery indicator on computer
What is the point of this again?
Group SMS messaging threads
This isnt a new feature. Its a long over due one. My 2 year old Sony W850i phone can do group SMS.
Btw WinMo supports video recording, mms, copy/paste. Three basic features needed in any phone. My W850i has it and its 2 years old.
CB17 wrote:
"Ease of use and reliability. Those are 2 words that I guarantee you aren't even in Windows Mobile's built in dictionary."
Sorry, I know you're locked in a battle with iPhone bashers, but that's actually 4 words - or one word and a term/phrase ^_^
I'll let you get back to your war now :)
@Rob Bourne
F*ck, thanks, I was thinking one thing and writing something else
@shiv
This discussion was never about about a feature for feature comparison and I'm certainly not about to start one now, although I can't resist but point out a couple things.
-WinMo's IMAP support PALES in comparison to OS X's and not just because it's HTML email support sucks but also if I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), but I don't even think Outlook Mobile supports folders beyond the basic Inbox, Sent, Trash, etc.
-If you use 3rd party applications as a way out then there's already HUNDREDS of iPhone applications available and a LOT of them are being developed to translate over to the new App Store, including things like: Video Recording, MMS, etc.
Anyways, as I've mentioned many times, the iPhone's strength isn't in a look-how-big-my-d*ck-is feature list and the reason is because the only type of people that really care about that are the nerds that spend all day posting comments on Engadget.... wait...sh*t......