I moved to the 800w from the Mogul and I couldn't be happier. The 320x320 screen shows more than the Moguls screen. The extra RAM and Palm tweaks make the 800w considerably faster. There is no text-input or screen lag like on the Mogul. Palm also included the video driver that makes scrolling and other interface features fast and smooth. There is a video floating around that shows the difference in scrolling speed in PIE between the Mogul and the 800w. The 800w was over twice as fast as the Mogul.
Overall, the phone is much more usable, stable, faster and smaller (feeling) than the Mogul and I'm VERY happy with this phone.
"The 320x320 screen shows more than the Moguls screen. "
This is absolutely false! Yes, it has a higher resolution (vs the Mogul's 320x240) screen but it actually fits less information. I can fit 13 items/lines on my Mogul's today screen. On the 800w, its only about 8 or 9. Just take a look at the photos of the Today Screen in the above review and see for yourself. The screen is also significantly dimmer than the Mogul's. Many complaints of it over at Treocentral.
Also, the slower 333mhz processor that Palm chose to use in this device may be adequate out of the box since they've tweaked the OS but what's going to happen when you start adding 3rd party apps? Its going to slow down. There is no substitute for raw horsepower but Palm sure keeps trying!
Finally, the ridiculously small battery (its the same as the Centro, I'm guessing they are trying to save some money here) and lack of a flash for the camera (useful as a flashlight among other things) and combine it with the stuff I listed above and it just seems to me Palm is again up to its old tricks and trying to cut corners.
Palm's form factor and the WM OS tweaks they've done are nice but I just wish for once, they'd just combine their expertise in those areas and match it up with some decent internal hardware. 800w would appeal to a lot more people if they just stopped trying to cut corners. The Mogul is far from perfect but the 800w sure has at least its own fair share of problems also.
I also switched from the Mogul to the 800w and couldn't be happier. It's faster, I prefer to not have a sliding keyboard, and the display is a huge improvement. So far I much prefer the 800w to the Mogul.
@Frankie, I do not work for Palm and have talked to several people who have 800ws and are pleased with the speed and all around quality of the phone. If I did not have such a deep abiding dislike of WM (and a GSM carrier), I would be tempted
The today screen doesn't show as much but since it has higher resolution you can turn the text down in PIE and see more information. I'm young and have good eye sight so I like it.
As far as the processor goes - with all the tweaks and extra RAM that the 800w has over the Mogul this phone feels 1000x faster. I have a ton of 3rd party apps installed already. If anybody can bog down a phone it's me. The real difference is the amount of RAM. I have never had to close an application because of lack of RAM.
The battery life isn't great. But, I work in an office with *almost* no reception. The *almost* makes it worse because it's constantly getting, then losing, signal all day. I can make it from 7:00AM-11:00PM without having to put it on the charger. That is with moderate use with all radios off except the phone. I'm going to get an extended battery when it's released (as long as it's a slim extended). Otherwise I'll just keep it on the charger during the day at work.
It isn't a perfect phone - but compared to the Mogul I'm very happy with it. It's actually the first smart phone I still liked after a week of use and I've had the Treo 700p, 700wx, Mogul, now 800w.
Oh and the speaker phone quality REALLY sucks. Pretty much unusable. Added to that suckiness - if you have WIFI on at the same time you are using the speaker phone there is even MORE static. The head set volume is okay but not as good as the Mogul.
I didn't know how clunky the Mogul was until using the 800. I don't miss the Mogul's screen and really love not having to slide the keyboard out. Aside from the mediocre "maps" program, everything works pretty darn well. The fit & finish are great and the buttons feel just right when pressed. I honestly don't know what the reviewer is talking about with regards to the soft buttons. They're plenty easy to find, even in low light.
I held my friends 755P in one hand and my 800w in the other and am amazed at how much lighter and more fit the new Treo is. The old one feels like a brick in comparison, and I don't feel like I am giving up anything with the smaller size.
Really, the 800w doesn't compete with units like the Touch or the upcoming Touch Pro (or whatever they're calling it) because the form factors are different. I would say that this Treo's main competition are the BB Curve and 8830 which I might have considered if Sprint didn't charge $40 bucks a month for the BB service.
Bottom line, current or previous Treo users will like the evolutionary aspects of this device. Those looking for flashy design and (mostly useless) gee whiz features should look elsewhere. This is a very focused device and does what it is supposed to do very well.
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I moved to the 800w from the Mogul and I couldn't be happier. The 320x320 screen shows more than the Moguls screen. The extra RAM and Palm tweaks make the 800w considerably faster. There is no text-input or screen lag like on the Mogul. Palm also included the video driver that makes scrolling and other interface features fast and smooth. There is a video floating around that shows the difference in scrolling speed in PIE between the Mogul and the 800w. The 800w was over twice as fast as the Mogul.
Overall, the phone is much more usable, stable, faster and smaller (feeling) than the Mogul and I'm VERY happy with this phone.
guess who works for palm..... /|\
"The 320x320 screen shows more than the Moguls screen. "
This is absolutely false! Yes, it has a higher resolution (vs the Mogul's 320x240) screen but it actually fits less information. I can fit 13 items/lines on my Mogul's today screen. On the 800w, its only about 8 or 9. Just take a look at the photos of the Today Screen in the above review and see for yourself. The screen is also significantly dimmer than the Mogul's. Many complaints of it over at Treocentral.
Also, the slower 333mhz processor that Palm chose to use in this device may be adequate out of the box since they've tweaked the OS but what's going to happen when you start adding 3rd party apps? Its going to slow down. There is no substitute for raw horsepower but Palm sure keeps trying!
Finally, the ridiculously small battery (its the same as the Centro, I'm guessing they are trying to save some money here) and lack of a flash for the camera (useful as a flashlight among other things) and combine it with the stuff I listed above and it just seems to me Palm is again up to its old tricks and trying to cut corners.
Palm's form factor and the WM OS tweaks they've done are nice but I just wish for once, they'd just combine their expertise in those areas and match it up with some decent internal hardware. 800w would appeal to a lot more people if they just stopped trying to cut corners. The Mogul is far from perfect but the 800w sure has at least its own fair share of problems also.
I also switched from the Mogul to the 800w and couldn't be happier. It's faster, I prefer to not have a sliding keyboard, and the display is a huge improvement. So far I much prefer the 800w to the Mogul.
@Frankie, I do not work for Palm and have talked to several people who have 800ws and are pleased with the speed and all around quality of the phone. If I did not have such a deep abiding dislike of WM (and a GSM carrier), I would be tempted
@Marty:
The today screen doesn't show as much but since it has higher resolution you can turn the text down in PIE and see more information. I'm young and have good eye sight so I like it.
As far as the processor goes - with all the tweaks and extra RAM that the 800w has over the Mogul this phone feels 1000x faster. I have a ton of 3rd party apps installed already. If anybody can bog down a phone it's me. The real difference is the amount of RAM. I have never had to close an application because of lack of RAM.
The battery life isn't great. But, I work in an office with *almost* no reception. The *almost* makes it worse because it's constantly getting, then losing, signal all day. I can make it from 7:00AM-11:00PM without having to put it on the charger. That is with moderate use with all radios off except the phone. I'm going to get an extended battery when it's released (as long as it's a slim extended). Otherwise I'll just keep it on the charger during the day at work.
It isn't a perfect phone - but compared to the Mogul I'm very happy with it. It's actually the first smart phone I still liked after a week of use and I've had the Treo 700p, 700wx, Mogul, now 800w.
Oh and the speaker phone quality REALLY sucks. Pretty much unusable. Added to that suckiness - if you have WIFI on at the same time you are using the speaker phone there is even MORE static. The head set volume is okay but not as good as the Mogul.
+1.
I didn't know how clunky the Mogul was until using the 800. I don't miss the Mogul's screen and really love not having to slide the keyboard out. Aside from the mediocre "maps" program, everything works pretty darn well. The fit & finish are great and the buttons feel just right when pressed. I honestly don't know what the reviewer is talking about with regards to the soft buttons. They're plenty easy to find, even in low light.
I held my friends 755P in one hand and my 800w in the other and am amazed at how much lighter and more fit the new Treo is. The old one feels like a brick in comparison, and I don't feel like I am giving up anything with the smaller size.
Really, the 800w doesn't compete with units like the Touch or the upcoming Touch Pro (or whatever they're calling it) because the form factors are different. I would say that this Treo's main competition are the BB Curve and 8830 which I might have considered if Sprint didn't charge $40 bucks a month for the BB service.
Bottom line, current or previous Treo users will like the evolutionary aspects of this device. Those looking for flashy design and (mostly useless) gee whiz features should look elsewhere. This is a very focused device and does what it is supposed to do very well.