The remainder of the
N97's juicy technical details have now been spilled on Nokia's dev-oriented Forum Nokia site -- previously, only cursory data had been posted here -- and there are a couple notable bits that might be of concern to developers and would-be buyers alike. First off, the processor
turns out to be a single-core ARM 11 putting along at 434MHz, just 65MHz faster than the 5800's. It's an improvement, yes, but when you consider that the competing i8910 from Samsung runs a higher-performance 600MHz ARM Cortex-A8, it throws a wet towel on the whole thing. Seeing how this is designed to be Nokia's premier device for 2009, couldn't they have gone for broke with the silicon? Secondly -- this is something we already knew, but the spec sheet reminded (and delighted) us -- the N97 supports charging via micro-USB, which the 5800 does not. Life's about tradeoffs, isn't it?
[Thanks, M.]
posted Apr 29th 2009 10:33PM
I am on the fence between the i8910 and the N97. The fact that the N97 has a slower processor makes me want to go with the i8910. But then again, it has 32GB built in, and a keyboard. I still don't know which one I will end up with. What about you guys, what do you think?
BTW, is the i8910 capacitive or resistive?
The Omnia HD is capactive.
Generally, I have found optimization in Nokia devices quite good, so the Mhz don't have to be that high. Yet, with 464 Mhz I don't see it being used more than 2-years.
I'm keen on having a mobile w FM Transmitter (N97).
Well, do you want to focus on media or more of a balance?
A lot of people prefer the physical keyboard for heavy text, e-mail and IM-use. So if both media and writing are important to you I think the N97 will be better. But if you want to take movies and watch content on your cell phone, surf the web but not type long responses on Engadget, the Omnia HD seems like a better bet - it has the CPU and the screen for that.
It's 'i8910', the OmniaHD moniker was dropped so to not confuse it with the Omnia 900 line. That's because they want to keep the Omnia moniker associated with WinMo OS only.
Also the Samsung Omnia HD has a separate GPU, can record 720p video at 24fps (playback up to 8mb/sec bitrate), and has 8mp cam, while the n97 doesn't have any other chip for GPU, only does 640x480 30fps video, and has 5mp cam. :(
I had wanted to get the n97 and was sure of it, but now i'm having second thoughts. We'll see the head to head of those two devices come June and I'll figure it out then.
Oh, and it's OLED screen too, not like the n97 :(
AMOLED actually. Better battery life
By the way I know there will be a North American 3G version of the n97
But will the omnia hd/i8910 run on North American 3G?????
No one can seem to answer this question for me
Anyone?
Plus, is there going to be a GSM Pre? Will it run on North American 3G?
Ok basically, which are US 3G?
samsung i8910
n97
pre
Thanks
The only one that I know about is that the GSM Pre isn't supposed to support US bands initially.
There will be an N97 with NAM 3G.
Its up in the air if there will be an i8910 or Palm Pre with NAM 3G.
Aw, I really wanted this one, but for 600 euros I can get something else I guess, maybe palm pre? :/
The specs say it has a "magnetometer sensor".
What the heck is that supposed to be??
A magnetometer is a meter for magnetism (magnet-o-meter). A compass. Like the G1 it knows where it's pointing at any given time. Most devices just use the GPS to figure out which direction you're going, but that falls down as soon as you stop moving.
@ale, The i8910 will work on AT&T's 3G depending on your area with the 1900 UMTS frequency. I know that for a fact that AT&T uses this frequency primarily in Atlanta and Chicago.
@Renegade Fanboy, the i8910 has an FM transmitter as well (though they all suck, regardless).
Let's see, for the screen category:
+Larger
+AMOLED (++bonus for better battery life)
+Capacitive
not to mention...
+8mp camera (++bonus for having MANY more options in the camera software)
+720p video recording
+Wireless HD video out for DLNA devices
+Faster Processor (++bonus for the 3D acceleration)
+DNSe 2.0 (better sound)
+7.2mbps HSDPA, AND 5.76mpbs HSUPA
+MANY more natively supported video types
and the two big drawbacks...
-16gb less storage memory
-no keyboard
-single LED flash
I think the choice is pretty clear. What good is the extra storage memory and the keyboard if every bit of the software is crippled by a slow processor?
Larger screen means less battery life
AMOLED means more battery life
Faster processor (often) means less battery life
I guess we'll have to wait and see about the battery, both should be decent anyway.
Capacitive screen is not a good point on every market, depends a lot on the user.
The camera still needs to be proved good. It's still a phone, no optical zoom, and 8 or 12 or 100M pixels won't change that weakness.
720p recording is really cool, though the 16gb storage will limit it badly.
"if every bit of the software is crippled by a slow processor?"
The N97 looks pretty responsive and polished on the videos I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, the Samsung is a hardware beast! But it's not THAT clear of a choice.
Hardware specs don't do everything, else, nobody would buy an iPhone :-)
the difference between the n97 and omniaHD:
n97:
5mp Camera
32 gb +16gb microSD
dont have 3d accelerator
434 MHZ cpu
TFT Resistive Touchscreen
Slide QWERTY Keyboard
omniaHD or i8910 HD:
AMOLED Capacitive Touchscreen( it means it dont have a stylus. Just the Finger can be used)
600MHZ but the final firmware is going to be 800MHZ ....(go to gsmarena.com and read all the comments to omniaHD)
16gb + 32gb microSD (CONFIRMED) search to google.....
Digital Natural Sound Engine (It has a good Sound Quality)
It Has More Features (Geo-tagging, face, smile and blink detection, image stabilization, wide dynamic range)
It can video: Yes, HD 720p@24fps, D1 (720x480 pixels)@30fps, QVGA time-lapse and slow-mo video recording)
and it has - DivX/XviD
and more Battery life because of the AMOLED Capacitive Touch Screen.....
8mp Camera
Maybe i help you to Choose what Phone is the Best.....
(But it Depends on the Buyer what is the best for his own)
What about the price of the N97 and the Sammy?
nokia n97 about 550 euros which is about $750 the samsung not sure yet
and to all each phones has its good and bad it all depends on the user the n97 is a great phone has potential and same as the i8910 it all depends on ur own tast i my self love both so i will get them both since i have att and tmobile i cant wait
The Samsung will be about 500 euros (In Italy that is):
http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/04/new_handson_video_reveals_omnia_hd_pricing.htm
BTW, PhoneArena now has a review of the OmniaHD (No, not preview):
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-OMNIA-HD-i8910-Review-review-r_2148.html
Well lets just see if Samsung manage to release a verison of the i890 with hardware keyboard... because that would be sick. M onl worry would be the physical size of te device as it's already quite an "odd" shape, but there's no doubt that it would rock the mobile world. Capacitive and hardware keyboard... *drools*
I believe that capacitive screens and the manner in which they work require a larger processor to begin with. All phones have the potential to be great. Samsung has released many touchscreen devices with similar specs(minus hd) and they have done so so in the market( inno 8, omni for ex). For gaming, omni should be better. But remember, both are based on symbian os v60 5th pf2. That is what you must figure out if you like. Samsung has had many problems providing firmware updates for it's phones and compatibility issues with 3rd party symbian software. No point in having all kinds of potential CPU power when other problems limit the phones true power. Look at htc's offerings, many of which boast 500mghz+ processor but limited by ? Weak Os? Windows mobile? Or their own. My n95 8gb has smaller processor and can handle 10,20 apps running in the back ground. And do remember, it is just a phone. Let pray that both phones and all future phones are supported in a proper manner with the needed firmware updates that keep them viable and usable. And that we won't see n96 and innov 8 stories. Great spec sheets and no support = garagabe phones and waist of $$$. Great phones are on the way, new iPhone, pre, n97, androids, omni hd. Will be hard to. Choose. All the best to us all!
Weaaaaaaaaaak processor!!!!!Pfuuuuuu man! If you fill the entire internal memory, will freese!!! Hahahahaahaahaa, Idou is the best and Samsung Omnia HD!!!!
Any operating system will degrade in performance if you make it continuously pagefault by filling its physical memory, dumbass.
Scuse me mister, but stop right there.
N97:
- Full browser flash, out of the box
- Big qwerty keyboard
- Nokia Ovi store (which granted, we don't know how good it will be, but its gotta be better than nothing?)
- Nokia Beta Labs behind it, churning out s/w like Nokia Messenger which is AWESOME
- FM Radio
- 32gb int. and expansion slot for more
- N-Gage games
- MUCH better UI (as per usual - Samsung UI is, and always has been just God awful)
- Smaller form-factor
So, while the Samsung wins on Camera, Battery life and 3G speeds, processor and screen there are still numerous other areas where the Nokia walks all over it! Ease-of-use, UI, QWERTY'ness, OVI store, Nokia Beta Labs. So yeah, don't discount it yet muffin-heads, the N97 will more than hold its own. Although, I am disappointed by the processor announcement.
To come back to your post
N97:
- Full browser flash, out of the box - samsung has the same thing.
- FM Radio - Samsung has this as well..
- 32gb int. and expansion slot for more - you try to use that device with the memory all taken up by music and photos
- N-Gage games - Like that will be of much use without 3D accelerator.
- MUCH better UI (as per usual - Samsung UI is, and always has been just God awful) - Have you even looked at the omniaHD on the reviews and youtube videos? Samsung has gone so far as to add a 3d visualizer, accelerometer based navigation in media menus and even "copied" coverflow from the iphone!!
- Smaller form-factor - Can't pack an 8mp camera, 3.7" AMOLED, 1500MAH battery etc in the same formfactor can you?
To sockatume
Man this phone is a weak phone coz has only 434 MHZ, if you want to compare it to the Omnia HD you will see the difference!!! This failaure phone will freese if you will put a lot of things to the internal memory. Is a good thing to have 32 GB, but need a 800 MHZ, good CPU!!!
To sockatume
If you want to talk with me, go to www.gsmarena.com, my name is Mobilemaster.
Don't forget that a faster CPU means less battery runtime. Look at the iPhone, which has a fast CPU but won't last a whole business day on battery.
last time i checked, the iphone has a 412 mhz processor, yet no one complains about that.
The iPhone also doesn't support most of the hardware on either of these devices.
Anyone who's had to deal with Nokia's poor decision in fundamental hardware should know better than to thinking they can get away with this. Does anybody remember when Nokia refused to allow more than 20mb of user RAM, like in the original N95 and almost all devices before it? The web browser would crash whenever you navigated away from it! Then they decided that the N96 didn't need as fast a processor as any of its other newer Nseries counterparts and almost every review talks about how sluggish it was to the point of un-usability.
I'm sure the UI looks great for the demos they've shown so far, but what about when you start blasting through huge webpages, opening tons of apps at the same time, and then open your camera for a quick shot? Or even when you try to play a decent Ngage game without the acceleration hardware?
ARM Cortex-A8+3D Hardware Graphics Acceleration > ARM 11, plain and simple.
All of that AND they're still using the same camera from a device from 2007 with NO upgrades to the camera software?!
@Nick, they're both running S60v5, so the UI is the same. The only difference is TouchWiz for the homescreen, which looks like it can be disabled from some of the videos floating around. Also Ngage and everything that comes out of Beta Labs will probably work on the i8910 with some hacking. The OmniaHD is also taller and wider because it has a larger screen, and thinner because it doesn't have the keyboard. They both have an FM Radio and the same S60 5th browser as well. Oh, and a digital compass/magnetometer.
So per your points, we're back to the advantages being the keyboard, extra storage memory, and the Ovi Store, which has yet to prove itself, but all with a slower processor.
I know a lot of you guys really want to give Nokia the benefit of the doubt, but from somebody who has been burned and spent tons of money on their mistakes over the years, I'm done. I'm not trying to stop any of you from buying the N97. Just look at all of the information and know what it's going to mean before you make a huge purchase like this.
Those are valid points, but here's my opinion on the matter (I too am torn between the Omnia and the N97). I feel like the Omnia NEEDS the faster processor for two reasons: The HD recording, which has to take a huge toll on everything, including the processor and the battery; And second, for the TouchWhiz UI which is graphically more demanding than the N97's more simplistic approach to navigating through menus.
I have the 5800 currently and after a month of use it's been doing fine as long as I leave a few megs free on the internal memory. As far as I can tell, if my 5800 does fine with a slightly slower processor, then what exactly would the N97 need a much faster processor (such as the Omnia's) for? Homescreen widgets? Cause that's about the only difference, right? I'm not saying I'm right with this simple conclusion, but generally speaking, the N97 is only slightly more of a power-eating device compared to the 5800 and therefore doesn't need a huge processor. The main difference with the N97 is hardware-related anyway (bigger screen, keyboard) Remember, the 5800 will eventually get the Ovi store as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow gets access to some of the widgets too when those become available.
I said it before, I'll say it again:
Bash the Nokia fanboy reviewers who have literally become 'accustomed' to nokia's shortfalls.
Another classic fail on Nokia's part!
Nokia has announced closure dates for Mosh and Widsets through e-mails and news releases along with the eventual replacement of these services by the new Ovi Store.
However, the smarts at Nokia have not included anything about when the Ovi Store is actually going to launch. Everywhere I read, it says the store is set to launch in May - but what's the date mate!??
A quick search of the Nokia website only adds to the ineptitude: Ovi launch search on Nokia's website
In my opinion, the only thing going for Nokia is the fact that S60 has multi-tasking and some of their phones support US 3G (AT&T).
Nokia, you are really trying hard to piss me off:
Customers are screaming what they want to see in the phones - but the honchos are too busy squandering their riches from the past (Programs which work in Silos like Nokia contacts, Friendview, etc).
Specific rants:
1. Ditch the cheap plastic cases - seriously! They are obvious and cheesy - N85 is a big fail because of it.
2. Use capacitive touch - I don't care what the hell your engineers say. Spend one hour with the iPhone and you will see how effortless capacitive is versus resistive.
3. Promote a standardized look and feel for apps through your SDK. Maintain customer expectation/experience and quality across all apps - created by Nokia or by a third-party developer. Does it even occur to you that’s one primary reason the iphone is so popular?
4. E71 - the camera is a joke compared to N73, which is three years older. This is not the precedent you want to set. News to you - technology should move forward - not backwards. The iPhone with a 2MP camera without flash takes phenomenally better pictures in daylight – that even after 3 E71 firmware updates. Get it? Fire the e71 camera division. It’s even worse when Nokia does not even accept they screwed up. And you wonder why Nokia has no market share in the US (hint the 5800 launch fiasco).
5. Firmware updates across the board!? E61 – just 3 years old – is a business phone. The browser sucks. It crashes all the time or runs out of memory. It’s an older version. UPDATE it! I paid $450 for that. You can’t leave it in the dirt after two years of half-hearted support. Why are your firmware updates 6 months apart? It’s unacceptable. The market and internet is evolving too fast for you to sit on your butt; either reduce the number of devices per service line (that’s another story) if you can’t handle them or hire more/smarter people.
6. EMEA, NAM, etc f/w update versions. Based on the updates you shoot out every 3-6 months, your QA guys are probably smoking crack. Even obvious fails slip through them. I can understand that hardware may differ over region-specific phones but it doesn’t warrant 3 month gaps between the region specific updates. Learn from your competitors – because these things will eat you if you don't acknowledge (Hint: Zune jokes). The end of your domination is already here – accept it to maintain ground. The 5800 alone will not save you and based on your price-range to specs for N97, I won’t count on that device either (LED instead of Xenon for a $700 phone? Maybe your giving the wrong kind of porn to your product gurus - it's turning them into sludge).
7. Widgets. Do you remember; 2 years ago, at an announcement – you mentioned that there will be widgets, which will let users input their flight details and in turn the widget will alert them about flight arrival or departure delays, airport conditions, etc? The services to offer this information are already here – e.g. FlightStats.com. But I don’t see the widgets anywhere?! What happened? Good idea/selling point but sounds like someone fell asleep. This should have been one primary focus of multitasking capability in a phone.
8. E-series. Aah… the award-winning phone that no credible reviewer had the balls to take a pock shot at. Instead, pussy-arsed reviewers sounded like they were done a favor with a review handset when they justified the poor camera performance, ‘oh, it’s a business phone; its primary function is not to take pictures.’ If that’s the case, then why the hell has it packed a shitty e-mail client for 4 years; even on its newest iteration? Oh, and why does the phone not recognize calendar invites!? Even gmail has worked that shit out. Inexcusable! Do you guys even test your own devices in a non-Nokia-centric environment at all? I didn’t think so. BTW, Nokia email is a paid for app eventually, it is not a replacement for the inbuilt messaging client. A client and service are two different entities and should be maintained so if you want people to use your devices anywhere. For e.g. your browser doesn’t just work with your servers now, does it?
9. RAM. Why do your phones even today have minuscule amounts of RAM – usually just enough to get by - even though the prices have dropped exponentially?
10. Call log – how did you manage to screw this up even more? Call log used to work fine on the E61. But with the FP1 / E71, every incoming call is shown as a ‘cell phone icon’ even if the number is associated with a land line. Also, why are you not using different icons for work, home, cell phones? Is that rocket science? BTW, what’s QA been up to – at this point you might want to call a narcotics raid on them. Don’t get me wrong, you had it working right a few years back. I know you’re new to the concept so repeat after me: technology should move forward - not backwards – with time.
11. Call log 2 – Where does all the information related to the call log get hidden? Because when I used synble, I noticed that it was able to extract a hell of a lot more information from the call log than the phone's client. This is just sick. Winmo phones allow you to store THIRTY days worth of information. Not only that, I can go into a contact, and view my call history for that contact including durations for every call as long as it was all within the 30-day limit. Obviously synble has managed to pull a lot of it out from my E71. But shouldn't this have been part of your phone? So tell me, do you use any phones from your competitor at all? It might be wise to make a few purchases; right about now. Plus, if you want to learn from your competitor, you have to use it as your primary phone for 30 days and then go back to a Nokia and see what you can improve. This is the EASIEST way to improve/add features without investing into any 'smart' people for R&D and probably should have been your first step.
12. Call log 3 – You know how right after you’ve called a contact or received a call, you want to try to call that contact again but but maybe at another number from the contact profile? Well guess what – you have to go through the address book to look at the other numbers. Yes, you can’t open the contact profile or alternate calling numbers from the call log itself. WTF? Talk about basic UI workflow/routing design fail. At this point, I’m beginning to think you have someone on the design/QA team with a mild narcolepsy problem.
13. Contacts – Have you ever noticed how ‘easy’ it is to ‘delete’ a contact but hard to 'undo' edits/deletes? I would think by the 5th iteration of S60 you would have got that down to a pat. I can hit the ‘back’ key and get a prompt to hit delete a contact. Nice. But if it’s a mistake, then what? I’m outta luck until the next time I sync. Plus, if my phone is set to sync automatically, then I will lose the information from my PC as well, if it comes in range with my computer (I use Bluetooth and sutosync) or if I forget about restoring the information before I re-sync. Did it EVER fucking occur to you that if you want to make deletion easy you have to make recovery just as easy, huh? Didn't think so. I am now beginning to think, Nokia folks secretly don't use their own phones.
14. Contacts 2: While we’re at it. If you begin to edit a contact and mid-way you decide to ‘cancel’ or discard all changes made to the contact (you haven’t saved yet). There is no way to do that. Seriously. I am sure many of you have noticed that by now – on FP1 at least – which is not that old and has seen tens of updates. From Nokia’s perspective, they probably want to ‘save’ all information on-the-fly as a user is typing to prevent accidental loss; which is a good thing. But would it kill ya' to also add a function to ‘discard’ all changes and revert back to previously saved version of the contact on the phone. It’s not rocket science again. UAT (User Acceptance Testing - probably a new term to you Nokia guys) – That should have caught this. You might want to schedule a deep talk with the some department heads.
15. Standard bookmarks in the browser that can’t be deleted. You asked for the hacking of your firmware. Because those bookmarks are useless and have never offered anything REMOTELY useful. They should have been removed from the browser by the second iteration 4 years ago. Or you should have built a team to develop content that's not discontenting. Besides, what’s wrong with allowing people rearrange those bookmarks? Plus the morons had to go right ahead and build a SEPARATE bookmark item for each link instead of putting them all in one folder called ‘Nokia’s junk’? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of glorifying what you've accomplished, how about spending some time over the failures? Because it looks like they are being carried over iteration after iteration.
I can go on forever, but I am gonna stop here – cause as usual – you are probably not listening. But for your sake I hope you do!
Times have changed; it’s not just about the hardware anymore – but more about the software. Also, if you can’t make your software to interact with non-nokia phones over the internet then you’re wasting your time (Nokia Friendview, etc). There are many platforms to compute - the internet has always been social and your time as a leader has already been squandered.
When consumers spend $400 every 16 months for the past 6 years and have little to show for it. This is what happens.
I am SICK of the whole Nokia band-of-reviewers sucking on NOKIA dick and ignoring the most basic failures for the nth iteration.
E.g. Everyone is 'praising' the Nokia Messaging/Email app (the fuckers at Nokia couldn't even decide for 6 months whether to call it 'email' or 'messaging' drives the point when each already means something specific) but no one is chastising Nokia for the abysmal in-built e-mail client as unacceptable for $300+ phones - which will be the only 'free' alternative in a few months.
In fact, Europeans are screwed even harder since they pay 20% more for each phone but are happy with lower expectations! The Nokia 5800 unlocked (US 3G) is going for $299 (224 Euro). How can a $300 phone perform worse than a mid-range phone from 3 years ago!? (N73)
I have the right to call out a poorly managed product line especially when they have such haughty claims but little to show for. Nokia stopped innovating a long long time ago. I am only hoping that someone at Nokia pulls their head out of their arse, grows some balls and reads through this entire post.
This vent was written in 10 minutes – so please excuse typos.
PS What's the ovi launch date?
No love for T-Mobile 3G... why pay unlocked, unsubsidized flagship prices for EDGE? Is everyone besides me in love with ATT and their monopolistic ways?
I just checked GSM Arena and the i8910 will have no US 3G support at all. In my eyes this is just a device Samsung is throwing out there to show it can make a device just as good or better than Nokia. I think at this point Samsung is in the point proving phaze. If they can get enough sales, or a fan base to bite on it. They might try and sell more of a universal device in the future. But, in the meantime, I wouldn't count on alot of these being made and/or much support for this device, hardware nor firmware wise.
Nokia on the other hand will support the N97 but, the small processor is to ensure that in the distant future, a year or so, you will be hungry for more speed and power and come back with your wallet to feed the appetite. Otherwise, the N97 will have US 3G. As far as the US 3G firmware support, that's another story. All of Nokia's native devices get 5 to 10 times the firmware updates as their US counterparts. Love Symbian but, I'll wait on the next version after the N97.
As far as US T-Mobile 3G, why would they support their bands when the mother ship (T-Mobile) doesn't even roam on T-Mobile US? They can get alot more sales out of 800/1900/2100 bands than, 900/1700/2100. At least overseas roamers might buy the 800/1900/2100, if they travel and their carriers supports roaming on these bands. But, if no overseas carriers roam on any combo of the 1700/2100 bands, who will buy a device with these bands? Only US T-Mo customers? How many will they sell for the cost? For the most part US T-Mobile is a discount carrier and their customer base is not looking to spend alot of money in cell phone use at all much less buy an unlocked handset.
Plus T-Mobile might forbid it. Especially with talks of that new mini, embedded sim that they have just engineered. What kind of crap is that? Might as well be with Verizon or Sprint with that stuff starting up.
I'm hesitant to get the i8910, simply because I've owned other Sammy phones and the firmware support is pathetic! I have had the Nok 5800 and there has already been 3 major firmware upgrades that improve the performance and usability of it within a 6-7 month time period. Samsung Eternity or other JVM based TouchWiz phones = 0 updates. As enticing as all the specs are on the Sammy i8910 are, I would still choose the Nok N97 just for it's software support of their products.
@Malkmus, TouchWiz is only a layer, which can be turned off. It's as graphically intensive as the new widgets on the N97's homescreen, except one will have the hardware for continuous, smooth operation, and the other won't. My PC NEEDS a quad-core processor and a higher-end video card for gaming and video editing, but having that hardware for web browsing and all the other little tasks makes everything much faster than if I only had an older Core 2 Duo. Do you understand my point?
@Jouten, I agree with the concerns of firmware updates, but with S60 under the hood, I don't think it will be a problem. FP2 and 5th Edition both support OTA firmware updates, so at the very least, there will be a very clear way to update. It will just be up to Samsung to provide the updates through that channel.
@Cingulair, from GSMarena.com "HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100". The 1900 frequency is what's key here. AT&T's 3G network is largely comprised of 1900 UMTS in the majority, which means it WILL work in a lot of their 3G coverage area. As I said, I've tested this in both Chicago and Atlanta with an N85-1 (which also only supports 1900 UMTS in the US) and 3G works just fine.
@Cingulair, I think that Nokia is missing a huge opportunity by not providing the 1700mhz band on their US version (I'd buy one, for example), especially considering that T-Mobile has had a pathetic phone selection for so long now — why create a AT$T-tailored US version when AT$T is in bed with Apple?
As far as T-Mobile being a 'discount carrier', and T-Mo customers being too cheap to buy an unlocked phone, I've seen an aweful lot of jailbroken iPhones running on T-Mobile, which means they paid the phone fee AND the early termination fee (or maybe they're all stolen?), so I don't agree.
I think the carriers are afraid of what would happen if they really gave consumers a choice by getting on a single standard. And then maybe the manufacturers could concentrate on making better devices rather than schmoozing carriers and locking themselves and consumers into exclusivity deals. Am I the only one sick of this?
Don't be like a HTC apologist when the ODM puts out seriously inferior hardware and tries to sell you on better "services".
As posted on BGR:
Again with the history lesson, the N95 was the last Nokia device with a decent cpu SoC because it was based on the fast TI platform with 3D.
Since they switched away to the Freescale platform with the N85 and the N96 (probably to get more power reduction), it’s been crap and entirely forgettable.
As mentioned, even Samsung destroys Nokia with the Symbian based Innov8 that uses a lot of superior hardware, as well as the upcoming OmniaHD.
You CANNOT push out a non-iPhone level/quality platform these days as your flagship device, PERIOD. So, as long as Nokia continues to push out 2nd/3rd class devices as their flagship, Samsung FTW.
Hi there,
To all the people discussing here on power consumption versus core speed...
Please note that ARM11 is an old-style core from ARM while Cortex A8 (and A9 as a newer one) are not only newer but also completely different in approach cores to ARM11.
The main differences are in core design, now integrating:
- interrupt controller --> saving a lot of time while servicing interrupts; in power down it translates directly to much shorter on-time, thus lower average power consumption
- power saving modes --> not available on ARM 7/9/11
I do not remember detailed figures for Cortex A8 core but it should be less than 50% of mA/MHz in compare to ARM11 with same clock.
Comparing of ARM11 and Cortex A8(9) does not make a big sense then.
Regards,
ksmm
Well it's still a faster processor and higher resolution screen than the underclocked iPhone.
Wow, EngadgetMobile was right on almost 6 months ago. Check out this article:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/12/07/nokia-n97-carrying-over-old-processor/#commentform
My favorite part is JS Winston claiming that the N97 will get the processor that the OmniaHD has while also posting incorrect information about the processors in current devices. Quite the fail.
The Processor of the N97 is a bit disapointing. Esspecially as I am thinking about leaving Windows mobile for Nokia. 4 years ago I bout a XDA IIi which had a 520 Mhz processor.
Toshiba's new phone TG01 manages to pack a 1Ghz processor, I was expecting at least 800/900 from the N97.
Why is technology not moving forward