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I still have hope for GT5 and will download the demo when it hits, but unless it has some seriously impressive upgrades from where GT5P is at it'll be a no-buy.
@This Man.
Here are the dates of first release for the two series since GT4. Other localized releases may be days (FM) or months (GT) later than first, but this is when we can consider the game itself "final".
GT4: 2004/12/28 (JP)
FM1: 2005/05/03 (US)
FM2: 2007/05/29 (US)
GT5P: 2007/12/13 (JP)
FM3: 2009/10/23 (EU)
As you can see, the entire Forza series has come out between the release of GT4 and GT5. Polyphony needs to get it done or give it up before this becomes DNF: Car Edition