I don't know what you're smoking - this card packs a serious punch... It performs better that 8800GT SLI in 3dMark and DOUBLES fps compared to 8800GT-SLI in Call of Juarez. With ALPHA drivers!

Sure, it's slower in Crysis - but look at that chart: It's all in the drivers. The winner is the old 8800GTS, that blows away both the SLI and Xfire offerings.
Other than that - Nvidia SLI only beats this single PCIe card in games that was co-developed with nvidia.

VERDICT: The 3870 X2 is the BE(A)ST graphics has to offer right now. When tested with drivers that are past the alpha stage, performance will only increase. The only bad thing is heat/power consumption. A 200W TDP card needs a better cooler.

Isn't he called fatty-Stefan cause he was in that television diet show "Tjock-holmen" (in english something like "Fatty Island")

@ John B

Well, I didn't mean to step on anyones toes;
Being a student, it didn't even occur to me anyone could be sticking to buying HD-DVD movies _knowing_ you'd have to replace them with the BD version as soon as you realize you barely use your HD player due to lack of content. But sure, if you do have the cash to spare :)

I simply thought he was in denial - don't you think? ("So in the end, the winners are the dual-format and hd-dvd buyers").

I too, am sure you'll enjoy your HD-DVD player for years to come. You got it cheap, and it upconverts content nicely. It was the economy of having to buy the same movie twice just because you own a dying format I didn't understand.

First of all - HD DVD is dead. There is no chance in hell the format will survive when Blu-Ray has 70% studio exclusivity. To keep buying HD-DVD discs would be a complete waste of money.

Second - That comment is a BD switch waiting to happen... A "current" plan can change anytime, sounds to me they're trying to force the BD association to pay them off instead of being forced to follow Warner for free. Greedy bastards :)

It is over.

Warner has by far released more HD content than any other studio. This is HD-DVD-doom.

It wouldn't matter if Gates announced that all 360:s starting from today would come with HD-DVD. It would still be over. Period.

The BD-P2400 is a better bet, no reason to pay the premium just to be able to play a dead format.

Note that the phone is crazy small, has a footprint thats only 66% of the iphone.

Well, I see you really dig HD-DVD - I don't really want to start a flame war, just giving my bystander opinion here.

I can't say I understand how a format that's never won a single weeks sales this year can be considered "doing better than expected". That sounds kind of fanboyish (when HD-DVD has a sale or a buy day, they sell _equal_ to what blu-ray sells _without_ a sale - it's terrible, really!).
However, I'm a huge fan of the Hi-Def wars since prices are driven down so damn fast, and salute Toshiba for their struggle:

Fact of the matter is this - Toshiba still haven't got studio support, they still haven't got hardware support (they make the 360 drive, the coming Onkyo one is a rebadge), they still sell less than half of what blu-ray sells even though their players cost nada.

I kinda feel bad for them, cause I think they have a larger user base than you can expect for a format that sells so little compared to the competition. It's all due to the offers - you can get 9 free HD-DVDs when buying a cheap Toshiba player. An offer that makes Toshiba bleed money badly. And they sell _alot_ of players, but then there is no content - people watch their 9 free Hi-Def discs and there's nothing else to buy since there's no studio support. If HD-DVD had had Pirates, Spiderman, Casino Royal, Star Wars, etc, I actually think they would be in the lead.
But sadly for them, all that's interesting to buy is: Planet Earth ($70-100), Matrix Trilogy ($70-80) and Heroes ($70-90). Thats more than $200 for just three purchases you can't get for free with a HDDVD purchase - money that BD owners can use to buy 10 BD movies. No wonder HD-DVD is losing the war.

Phoenixxx1974 - It's also worth noting that Planet Earth is the _only_ HD-DVD title people are actually buying ;)

Top ten blu-ray title average is _77_ on amazon - hd-dv is _470_. And without Planet Earth, HD-DVD numbers would be close to 800 - and that's TOP TEN titles. HD-DVD is seriously going down hill, Toshiba will need a miracle to get back in the game.

And no, I don't own either format. I don't even have a hdtv - I'm just stating the obvious.

I'd have to be _payed_ to get an HD-DVD player. It's plain stupid to buy into hardware that won't get any movies - try to expalin that to your father when he want other movies than the Matrix (which is on its way to Blu-Ray as well).

Where's studio support, Toshiba? Forgot that one, eh?