It's not ACTUALLY running OSX anymore than my HTC phone runs Windows.

Just because its called OSX doesn't mean it IS OSX, its just an embedded version of the OS, just like windows mobile, its really not that impressive a feat to make a embedded OS, I promise, hell, if MS can do it damned near anybody can! ;p

Well you mention being familiar with this phone and that phone but you can't really compare them because those phones you've held in your hand and used, the iPhone just has publicity videos right now.

And honestly look the OS might be just dandy, thats not the point, the point I originally made wasn't that the iPhone is some giant turd, its that engadget acts like "OH MAN HOW DID THEY CRAM SO MUCH COOL TECHNOLOGY INTO SUCH A SMALL PACKAGE!!!1!" when in reality they didn't cram much at all in there.

What new and interesting thing does the iPhone do.

Thats great but until its actually inside why would you be impressed with it being crammed in there?

Theres no reason to believe adding it wouldn't affect the size (maybe it would, who knows), point being its not impressive what they say they WILL do.

And yeah if you have a palm OS based phone (I dont keep up on the treos, never been a fan) then yeah I would imagine the iPhone looks awesome.

But no, I don't consider an embedded OS that doesn't even allow third party apps and a touchscreen as impressive, considering there are several embedded versions of Windows out there (the Q runs one).

Nothing about that is new. You may like their interface more but nothing is really impressive from a technical standpoint. So no, the simple fact of the matter is I don't see anything impressive given its size. Which is what we were talking about.

They were being what passes for clever around here...that pic on the right IS the pic they refer to.

"we can't decide if we're more impressed by what Apple managed to pack into the iPhone's slender frame"

lol what, the lack of 3G?

Seriously, there is nothing all that impressive stuffed in there, and its not even that small, or did you forget the comparison posted on this very same site vs. phones with damned near everything the iPhone has in it (sans the built in flash storage and thats not a size issue) but definitely beting it in other feature areas.

How many more days before we stop getting an apple post every hour?

Let me rephrase that, how much advertising time did Apple buy from you guys?

If those pictures are any indication...you took a product that it meant to be bracket mounted inside the wall to two studs...and held it (oh so gayly I might add) up to a wall and say "might not be ideal"...

You SUCK.

Jesus christ. Way to phone it in. I'd be f*cking PISSED if I sent you a product with instructions on how to use it, saw you blatantly disregard those instructions, and then read as you panned the product.

Oh but you got your clever bit about using it on your chests in there so its all good.

Way to go!

In other news...oxygen...good for breathing.

And "yuck, rainbows" have you seed the new DLP's with more segments to the color wheels and LED backlighting????

LCD: yuck, ghosting and black levels.
Plasma: yuck heat
blah blah blah.

Thats one loooong HDMI cable for $150.

My suggestion...http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

GREAT prices and their cables are top notch, just got a 4' DVI->HDMI cable from them last week, like $17 and you should see this thing, the shielding is incredibly thick and the quality is just top notch, VERY happy!

Screw big box retailers like best buy.

Industry changing? It doesn't even have 3G and its just a touchscreen...how is this any more industry changing that a touchscreen phone running an embedded MS os?